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What's the Jordan Suspension Theory based on, his gambling problem?
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Roxxxas wrote: Sun Jun 28, 2020 7:12 pm So now there’s a physical cash and coin shortage apparently, this seems random and out of nowhere...
We have signs up at work asking people to pay by card if possible due to the shortage. It stands to reason that a lot of things that are made may be shorted if we don't get this under control. I know there are prescription drugs that are on long term backorder due to COVID outbreaks at the manufacturing warehouses, I imagine that's probably the issue here as well and will be for many things.
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ICEMAN KING PATSON wrote: Mon Jun 29, 2020 7:01 am What's the Jordan Suspension Theory based on, his gambling problem?
I’ve heard a couple different theories.

One is that allegedly a gambling debt caused his father to get murdered. There was supposedly an fbi investigation and it was found out that he was gambling on games. I’m not sure if it’s games he was playing in or just games in general. The nba freaked because they couldn’t just come out and say that the biggest star in the history of the fame was a degenerate gambler because the nba had its fair share of bad eras and had been trying to shed some of the negativity surrounding the league from the drug fueled 70s. So they came ho with the story about retiring due to the passing of his father and having nothing left to do in bball after winning back to back to back championships. But also the team that he played for I believe was owned by the dude who owned the Bulls. There’s plenty of weird stuff going on with the story at least.
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Yeah David Stern willingly sat out the biggest moneymaker by far in the league for a year and a half. Bill Simmons is full of shit.
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Anyone I hear of the Wayfair Sex trafficking controversy? This is new to me so I'm legit asking to figure out wtf
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Amazing_Jos wrote: Fri Jul 10, 2020 2:08 pm Anyone I hear of the Wayfair Sex trafficking controversy? This is new to me so I'm legit asking to figure out wtf
Yeah I was reading about it earlier on today. Looks like Wayfair has deleted a lot of shit to cover their tracks but the vigilance of every day people has caught them and their shit can’t be fully deleted. This is yet another sex trafficking ring inside the US. We have a major major fucking problem.

Pizzagate. Pedogate. Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. NXIVM. The Franklin Coverup. This shit has been going on since AT LEAST the Reagan administration, probably way longer. It is a massive, calculated enterprise. Our own government is in on it. Our own intelligence agencies are in on it. There are billions and billions and billions of dollars to be made off of selling kidnapped people for a variety of reasons. But blatantly advertising the names of missing children on their website? They got too cocky. They were operating too out in the open and they’ve been busted.

We are talking shadow organizations that are richer than many Fortune 500 companies. I can’t see how people aren’t up in arms over this.
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Vice also put out an article defending reddit u/MaxwellHill who resistors believe may have been Ghislaine Maxwell. It is the highest upvoted account on reddit. The posting of the user in question posted constantly for years and years, with a few notable exceptions, that somehow match up exactly with times when Ghislaine Maxwell would have not been posting. When this was further looked into it appears that u/MaxwellHill posted more links from Vice.com than any other site. So the most prominent poster on reddit, who may or may have not been a child sex trafficker, was generating them thousands and thousands of views for their website. That’s important.

The article doesn’t prove in any way shape or form that the user is NOT Ghislaine Maxwell but so far it also cannot be proven, yet, that is was.

Here is the link to the vice article referring to a”incoherent conspiracy” I was referring to above. You can’t debunk something wholeheartedly without proof. There is a lot of proof that the user may have indeed been Ghislaine Maxwell. A lot of people have been doing a lot of research on this and are just told by some website or some celebrity talking head that this stuff is “nonsense.” Well, fuck you, prove to me that it is nonsense.

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3zb ... l-redditor
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My friends cousin just sent me this and claims this is very real.

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I’ve been reading the Apocrypha. It’s the books of the Bible that were declared to be non-canon by someone or another for a variety of reasons. Debate over the author, debate on the time books were written, not matching up with the overall narrative, etc. I just started the book of Enoch, which I’ve been wanting to read for some time.

The book of Enoch tells part of the pre-flood story in the book of Genesis, the first book of the Bible. Enoch was Noah’s great-great-grandfather. In the first six chapters it kind of just tells about God and angels in heaven. The angels see women and fall in lust. They want to go marry them and have children with them. So 20 angels decide together that they’re gonna do this thing. They go down to earth and start smashing. They marry women, get them pregnant and they have babies that are giants. The giants eventually grow and become super powerful and basically do whatever they want because no one can stop them.

While this is going on the angels teach humans about things like the earth, the sun, moon and paths of celestial bodies. They teach them about astrology, astronomy, metalworking, etc. Useful things that would without a doubt be beneficial to the further continuance of mankind. But this made God mad, the angels imparting their wisdom to the people. God thought that this corrupted and led man astray and made him want to destroy the world with Noah’s flood.

Is God evil, then? He threw Adam and Eve out of the Garden of Evil for eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Once they gained self awareness, God punished them by banishing them forever, giving them pain, physically, mentally, emotionally, etc. and making their lives bad. All because they were curious. He then destroys the world and all the people on it for things that he allowed his angels to do and did not stop them from doing. If God is all knowing and all powerful, then God would have known that his angels would go to earth and have sex with and impregnate the women of earth. If this is a bad thing why did he punish the humans for it?

It seems to me that the God from the Old Testament is an evil, vindictive character and not at all the living, kind God he claims to be.
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The Old Testament God is very much an angry, spiteful being. Things flip with Jesus in the New Testament, with forgiveness and tolerance and unconditional love for mankind. No surprise that most Conservative Christians seem to focus on the Old Testament and not enough on the New, in my eyes the New Testament should be what we aspire to, but if we turn our back on the Old Testament then suddenly its a sin to be judgemental and punish others for their beliefs...can't have that.
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ICEMAN KING PATSON wrote: Sun Nov 15, 2020 3:03 pm The Old Testament God is very much an angry, spiteful being. Things flip with Jesus in the New Testament, with forgiveness and tolerance and unconditional love for mankind. No surprise that most Conservative Christians seem to focus on the Old Testament and not enough on the New, in my eyes the New Testament should be what we aspire to, but if we turn our back on the Old Testament then suddenly its a sin to be judgemental and punish others for their beliefs...can't have that.
My beef is specifically with Yahweh, YHWH, El Shaddai, The Great I Am, the Hebrew/Jewish/Christian “God” of the Old Testament. Jesus is cool and has a great, non-hypocritical message. Yahweh is a vile, evil, gaslighting, hypocritical, authoritarian.

In the Garden of Eden, Yahweh tells Adam and Eve they can do and have anything that they want, absolutely anything, as long as they don’t eat from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Doesn’t tell them why or what it would do or give any type of reasoning, just “don’t do it.” When the Serpent, who is not Satan, who is not Lucifer, who is not Beelzebub, convinced/tricked Adam and Eve I to eating from the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Hood and Evil they suddenly know they’re naked. Because they’ve gained knowledge. Then Yahweh shows up and because they’re naked they hide. Yahweh is pissed and kicks them out forever because they are no longer dead, dumb and blind to truth. They, and everyone who comes after them since they are the only two people on the face of the earth at the time, are cursed with the knowledge of pain and suffering and evil and temptation and hardships forever and ever after.

However, many, many times throughout the Christian Bible it says that Yahweh promised he will not punish the son or daughter for the deeds committed by their parents. So this dismisses that promise that Yahweh made to humankind. So Yahweh is a liar and therefore not perfect. The narrative that an all loving, perfect being would punish the children for the actions of their parents after promising his people that he wouldn’t do it makes him a hypocrite. Therefore God is a hypocrite. This is merely one example of many I can give, but this is a contradiction that came very early in the Bible so it’s where I started.
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Places tinfoil hat clearly on my head: I truly believe that most popular culture is manufactured to keep us busy and not asking questions. Plus it gives people unrealistic ideas of what life is supposed to be like, especially when it comes to relationships.

Case in point, the middle east is on the verge of starting WW3 and an active genocide is happening with financial and moral support of the United States government and all I see on social media is Brittney Spears and Justin Timberlake drama.

Really, if you look at the lineage of a lot of famous people you'll find generations of wealth. Taylor Swift's father was already a multi millionaire who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to get her a massive deal when she "broke in", same with Kid Rock, came from a family of wealthy surgeons who owned the largest house in Michigan when he grew up. Hollywood is rampant with nepotism, Drew Barrymore comes from a family of kingmakers who date back to the silent film era and were already wealthy before film was even invented. There's too many to even name but actors and producers and directors all throughout have used their positions to get their families in positions of power, a lot of times at the expense of creative minds who don't have those connections.

Any ways, tl;dr version of this stream of consciousnesses is that I firmly believe that people in positions of power have used the entertainment industry and celebrities to keep us focused on meaningless celebrity drama. I also feel like they use celebrity drama, music and television programs/movies to give people unrealistic, almost child like expectations of life and especially relationships.
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100% agreed with everything you said, Azzy. It’s obfuscation at the highest possible levels of society. The “they” here is whoever is in control of our media and what passes as news. He who controls the news controls the public. If Fox News says that everything going on in the Middle East right now is because of evil Palestinians, the Fox News folk will eat it up and believe Palestinians are evil because the person they like told them. Same with the CNN watchers, if they’re told it’s because Hamas is doing whatever, it’s all Hamas’ fault and they don’t question it. MOST OF THE TIME this is the case with both sides of the political spectrum. Most people don’t research further than hearing the news and getting pissed about what’s going on and not what caused the issues to begin with, or the tangled web you have to set angle to get to the truth. There are lots of roadblocks put in our way of finding out what is actually, truly going on in the world. Because a specific group of wealthy people want to make it so we are at one another’s throats instead of coming together since they know we are so much more powerful United than we are against one another. That’s why they’re so certain they can keep butt fucking us with inflation, shit healthcare, insane cost of living in cities, so many not having access to affordable higher education, etc. They know we won’t revolt because we can’t agree on anything because the obfuscation has fully worked on Americans. We are divided by so many things. And we’ve lived in a culture in this country for decades where we’ve been constantly told not to speak to anyone about religion or politics. The reason it gets so fucked up when we talk religion or politics is because we’ve been told not to talk about it for so long when we do it gets heated as shit because it’s been a “taboo” for so long. I think they are topics that NEED to be discussed for us to better understand one another and to come together so that eventually, probably not in our lifetimes, a revolution will actually happen.
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I feel like it goes beyond politics now to the point of behavioral manipulation in day to day life now We have slickly produced podcasts/social media channels with big money corporate sponsors that tell guys it's okay to cheat and to be superficial in the qualities they look for in a partner. I don't think it's any coincidence that we've seen a rise in videos of terrible "Karen's" as I think companies, especially social media, benefit from this behavior going viral so you're seeing a lot more of it in general. I've worked retail for a large chunk of my life and while people have always sucked it seems to be at a fever pitch now. Some of that has to do with just greedy, incompetent corporate decisions that makes the service suffer and triggers anger in customers as well. I could go on a whole other rant about how I think that company owners get a sadistic joy out of making their employees and customers suffer along with the financial benefit of constant cost cutting.
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I know that my old boss at Fed Ex; not the owner, but the day to day manager, told us she wasn’t our friend and not to try to pal around or get all buddy buddy with her. She’d go int of her way to undermine everyone every chance she got. She specifically told me, as I was the longest tenured employee my boss had just before I quit, that she could pay someone brand new to do my job and save the company money because they weren’t starting new people at my pay, which was significantly higher on account of being there for years by that point. She would derive pleasure seeing people bicker and squabble amongst each other and would talk about it being better for the boss so have his employees not like each other because they’d work harder and be more protective of their position if they had to look over their shoulders and make sure someone else wasn’t trying to squeeze them out. It makes for an especially toxic workplace with this type of person as manager. Oftentimes, it’s that exact type of person who goes for management positions, the kind of person who thinks they are superior to others, who literally have nothing but work in their lives, who are willing to do anything and backstab anyone to get what they want and have zero care or empathy for another person, because again, they’re all beneath them. You give this type of person any power at all and it immediately goes to their head. Inflates their sense of self, especially when work is their entire set. If I found out my old manager had been diagnosed as having a personality disorder I wouldn’t be surprised.

There is a reason that management positions and upper management positions like CEOs are full of psychopaths. These people lack understanding of others feelings as they don’t have those type feelings and therefore cannot understand them firsthand. Not having empathy for another person makes it very easy to fire someone, very easy to do whatever it takes, to actually lie, cheat and steal to get their desired outcome. Walking all over people isn’t an issue at all when you literally cannot give a fuck about the way anyone else feels about you. It’s why so many politicians, judges, managers, policemen etc are rapists. You can take whatever you want and not feel any remorse for what you’ve done. These people are sick, but not in a demonstrable fashion. You can’t tell someone is a psychopath by looking at them. You can’t tell just from normal dealings either, most of the time, especially if you only deal with said person here and there.

When there are people higher up in status, millionaires, multimillionaires, billionaires, etc, who also happen to be psychopaths, someone is going to notice because those people who are willing to do ANYTHING to get more money and more power and get the satisfaction of being able to make any desire they have a reality, those people are very easy to take advantage of and blackmail. Because they are willing to do anything at all. If they want sex, rape isn’t out of the question. If they want someone to stop causing them problems, murder isn’t off the table. When you have money to cover everything up, nothing is taboo.

That’s where people like Jeffery Epstein come in. Someone who is very well connected and knows the types and what they will do and has the forethought to record everything. Then when they have proof these psychopaths will do anything at all to get what they want they can be blackmailed and do whatever you want them to do to avoid ever being caught for the vile, disgusting things they’ve done. You wanna be in the special club that opens up channels to unlimited wealth and power? Well, fuck this 12 year old girl while I record you doing it and doors to power and wealth you never knew existed open up for you. Since they don’t give a shit what is or isn’t moral and ethical they fuck hear. Then there is forever documentation of the time and place and date of the raping of a child that can be used against them at any time. I think our entire world population is being run by these people who have been put into these positions by the CIA. They don’t answer to anyone, they are autonomous and have free reign to do what they want, subvert every government on the planet and use horrible means that would make the general public absolutely sick if we knew about them to achieve every goal they want to accomplish.

I mean, numerous declassified documents throughout American history shows that the CIA will do anything. They’ve overthrown democratically elected leaders in multiple countries. The reason Iranians hate us goes back to the 1953 coup d’etat staged by MI6 and the CIA because the elected leader, Mohammad Mosaddegh, didn’t want the company that eventually became BP (British Petroleum) to be able to continue enriching themselves on Iranian oil and wanted to use Iranian natural resources for Iranian enrichment. They overthrew him and put right wing leader Mohammad Reza Pahlavi back into place, as he was sympathetic to western policies, meaning he was on the payroll and would do what America and Britain wanted. He continued to be in charge of the country until the 1979 Islamic Revolution led to the country being led by the extremists who remain in power there until the present. There are many, many more examples of the CIA overthrowing governments for right wing leaders that are sympathetic to American ideals.
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Azmodeous wrote: Sun Oct 29, 2023 9:03 am I feel like it goes beyond politics now to the point of behavioral manipulation in day to day life now We have slickly produced podcasts/social media channels with big money corporate sponsors that tell guys it's okay to cheat and to be superficial in the qualities they look for in a partner. I don't think it's any coincidence that we've seen a rise in videos of terrible "Karen's" as I think companies, especially social media, benefit from this behavior going viral so you're seeing a lot more of it in general. I've worked retail for a large chunk of my life and while people have always sucked it seems to be at a fever pitch now. Some of that has to do with just greedy, incompetent corporate decisions that makes the service suffer and triggers anger in customers as well. I could go on a whole other rant about how I think that company owners get a sadistic joy out of making their employees and customers suffer along with the financial benefit of constant cost cutting.
I think more than anything to that point is that now everyone has a camera on their phone so all these behaviors are infinitely more put out there.
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I've long wondered if we were so far gone in America that the only way to change would be to just overthrow everything and start over from scratch. It's painfully obvious that our representatives have no intention on representing anything but theirs and corporations interests while they commit atrocities and make it harder for us to live daily. It's a recipe for a frustrated populace to revolt and I'm not so sure there's any way around it anymore.

I obviously do not want that as a revolution will be violent and harsh to live through, especially for a nonverbal autistic child. The one ray of hope right now has been the labor movement exploding and gaining ground. It's encouraging to see people fighting back against corporate abuse and making really strong gains in that department. The only problem there is that it does nothing to address the fact that our elected officials do not represent us and the system is set to make sure they never do.
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Am I the only one who feels like we could see the Internet completely shut off in our lifetime?
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Azmodeous wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:07 am Am I the only one who feels like we could see the Internet completely shut off in our lifetime?
I’ve thought about what life would be like without it multiple times. I’ve been writing a book for some time now where there is a world war and infrastructure is destroyed and internet is out. It’d be like the 1990s again. Phone calls and news channels if internet is turned off. Not sure which would be better, some dictator deciding we don’t have access to it anymore or destruction being the cause. I hope it doesn’t happen, but I could see something like more and more censorship if we fall deeper and deeper into a theocratic regime.
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Puns wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 6:59 pm
Azmodeous wrote: Tue Dec 12, 2023 10:07 am Am I the only one who feels like we could see the Internet completely shut off in our lifetime?
I’ve thought about what life would be like without it multiple times. I’ve been writing a book for some time now where there is a world war and infrastructure is destroyed and internet is out. It’d be like the 1990s again. Phone calls and news channels if internet is turned off. Not sure which would be better, some dictator deciding we don’t have access to it anymore or destruction being the cause. I hope it doesn’t happen, but I could see something like more and more censorship if we fall deeper and deeper into a theocratic regime.
I know the Internet has been crucial in making people more isolated in bubbles and been a great propaganda tool while helping accelerate fascism/authoritarianism but the last few months really feels like people just aren't falling for the same tactics anymore. What better way to put people in line than to cut off their access to the rest of the world?

It would upheaval the entire world but there are some truly psychotic people in charge of things that would probably revel in the chaos it would cause.
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